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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:34 pm    Post subject: von VS van  Reply with quote

I read this while doing some research on Ludwig van Beethoven:
"The Austrian court system had one court for the nobility, The R&I Landrechte, and another for commoners, The Civil Court of the Magistrate. Beethoven disguised the fact that the Dutch "van" in his name did not denote nobility as does the German "von",[66] and his case was tried in the Landrechte. "
Beethoven was in a custody dispute for his nephew.  Apparently there was a court system for the nobility and one for the commoners.  This is quite interesting and telling about the culture of his time.

I believe the 'von' translates litteraly as 'from' or 'of'  What does 'van' mean?

Even though his birth name was van Beethoven, I most often see his name written von Beethoven.  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Dutch "van" can be translated in the same way as the German "von".
For most of the names it occurs in, "van" originally refers to a geographic place.

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